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Cuban Love or Fraud

by Jamiela
(Canada )

I have met a Cuban on the resort that I was staying at. We spent almost every day together, when we went off the resort HE paid for everything. I offered to buy him a drink and instead he bought me one. I am planning a trip back to Cuba in the next few months, he has not asked for me to bring anything. He told me that when I get there to worry about nothing. Also told that he wants me to learn everything I can about him and his culture. Told me that he loved me.....but afer 2 months it still felt a little soon. NEVER asked to come to Canada, just asked to be with me.
Can this still be a sign of a scam???? I know they have there routines down and now I don't know the truth from a lie. How can you tell the good honest Cubans from the hustlers??

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another Canadian duped by a Cuban
by: Anonymous

This is another persons website dedicated to Cuban marriage fraud.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106784456037944

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Lesson learned
by: trailsman

I guess women are finding out what men have known for eons... If you're going to participate in international sex tourism, don't fall in love with your Ho.

It matters not if its Eduardo from the animation team in Holguin, or Kim the pleasure boy from Bangkok. They are highly incentified to tell you what you want to hear to escape crushing poverty.

Don't believe me? Try dating guys from your local homeless shelter.

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don't do it!!!
by: Enlightened

I feel for all those who have been victims of Cuban fraud...
I'm a frequent traveller to Cuba. I have many Cuban friends that I visit on a regular basis. As per most of my Cuban friends living in Montreal, as well as those still "trapped" in Cuba, Canadians (and Italians) are the easiest women in the world to marry. Now, only an honest Cuban will admit to that - so beware ladies.
If you understand the conditions in which they live, if you understand to what degree they "invent" money in order to survive, you will understand why they are so desperate to get out. My best advice: Visit their home - spend a day or two. Live the way they live. And soon, you'll realize why the desperation to get out.
Cuba has been this way since 1959. So, yes... the art of how to court a women is learned at a very young age. We, as Canadians, are not accustomed to that intensity of charm. Even the ugliest men in Cuba are charming.
Most men in tourism have up to 10 "yumas"- otherwise known as foreign girlfriends. The first one to agree to marriage and go through with it, is the one they marry. Doesn"t mean that they weren"t hoping that it were another one of their "yumas." But, hey, they are fighting time. Once settled in their new country, they will probably contact one of the others, hoping she will get him out and "invite" him to her country.

Lately, and I just got back the other day, it seems that most of the men, my friends and I met, were all using the same lines... It seems that they got a work contract in whatever country and were set to leave within the next couple of months.... Hello!!! "You mean you are getting married?????" we said. "NO, I met this couple" or "I met this family." Yeah-right!

If you wanna have a good time in Cuba, go ahead. But, be prepared mentally. Upon the first encounter, make them aware that you know better. But, please, please ladies... don"t fall for it. Let's show them that Canadians are not all a stupid as the ones before us...



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ULTIMATE SCAM ARTIST
by: canadian sucker

Well I am ashamed to admit that I fell for the bull. The first time I went to Cuba I was with 3 other Canadian women and we stayed at Breezes Jibacoa. Nice place but definitely not the 4 star that they advertised and kind of boring. One of the women I was with had previously met a Cuban there by the name of Michel on the beach just down from Breezes. Well we all met up with him and a few other Cuban Liars. My friend got totally sucked in by a young guy that was 30 years her junior. I myself got sucked in by someone 20 years my Junior. They are all from the area of Caraballo and San Antonio De Rio Blanco. I do believe that everything was a scam from the start. Big set up largely engineered by Michel who I later ended up marrying. Needless to say my friend married her young guy as well. He absolutely took her to the cleaners. She even quit her job in Canada, sold her house and moved to Cuba. Only to be treated like garbage once she got there. I however realized I was being duped after I had spent around $20,000 and divorced Michel prior to him getting to Canada. Thank God I finally got my brain back. My friend however is not so lucky and she has lost everything. The money is bad enough, but it definitely gives you a blow to your self esteem. I think that all the towns and people around the resorts are in on the scams. They will never tell you the truth as your money benefits them all. I am seriously thinking of lobbying the Canadian government to stop immigration to Canada from Cuban citizens that marry Canadians. What a scam. If you ever go to Breezes Jibacoa watch out for a guy by the name of Michel that will be hanging out at the beach. Short guy and very smooth and seemingly helpful to the tourists. He is without a doubt the worst thing that ever happened to me in my life. BEWARE OF CUBA

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Mi Amor, Mi Vida (my love, my life)
by: Jacquie

What can I say that hasn't already been said? Cubans are the absolute GREATEST actors I have ever seen. The first thing they will say is "I don't like lies" (they are lying already). They will cry false (crocodile) tears. The sad part is, even if I had read this forum I still would have believed that maybe, just maybe, there would be 1 good apple in the whole bunch. There just has to be, they all can't be bad people and con artists. BUT they all are con-artists. Including their families and friends. The Cubans will all cover for each other and lie for each other. There is no remorse in what they do or say or get us to believe. I rationalized everything, he was close to my own age. He liked the same things I did. I figured if he wanted out he could have left long before I came along. I was one of the lucky ones. It cost me $3000.00 to marry him and another $3000.00 to divorce him. At least he didn't get to Canada as Immigration denied him. I will never know why.I still went to Cuba looking for answers. He wouldn't talk to me. Finally after being there for 10 days he says to me "I didn't do anything for him, it's over". No emotion, no remorse, no nothing. He just looked me in the eye, his eyes cold and uncaring, "it's over, why do you need to know". I still continued to travel to Cuba. Thinking it was a Country that was poor, and in need of help. That I couldn't blame the people for doing what they do just to survive. BUT they are not starving, like they lead us to believe. They never ask for food or money for food. They will however ask for money for the their cell phones. They will ask us to bring them laptop computers, MP3's, chocolate and anything else that is not neccessary for survival. With my eyes more open I watched and learned. The friends I thought I had are not true friends. I have been approached by other Cuban men time and time again. They all think they are being original. But if you go there and stay long enough, you hear the same words, the same acting, the same sad, cute, puppy dog eyes that try to sucker you in. Even though I had been burned I fell for it again. At least this time I didn't marry him. But I was oh so close to believing the lies again. A Canadian friend once said that a Cuban can get us to believe that it snows on the beach in Cuba in July. And they believe what they are saying, and by gosh they can get us to believe it too. So go to Cuba, have fun (use protection for your heart and your health). Be careful, live the romance for the short time but don't believe it, it's not REAL! It's not REAL, It's not REAL!!!! Not any of it. If you think Las Vegas is sin city, Cuba is sin country.

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Poverty breeds Discontent
by: Oilman

I am disapponted to find women need to travel to a communist third-world country to meet an uneducated man who barely speaks English. Ladies, seriously. Email me, I'll take you out and can still pay for dinner. I was recently in cuba, and it was disgusting. The resort was great, but poverty is rampant. You cannot trust people to be genuine when small amounts of money can change their life so much. Anyway, I'm looking for love as well, good luck to us all. wgs70@shaw.ca

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relations with a Cuban
by: Anonymous

sorry to hear you are falling for the Cuban B.S ...everything you have posted about this fellow sounds the same as what my x told me...Im sure they take a class in grade 7 or 8 telling them what to say and what to write...as they all say the samethings...it's not until after you are married that they begin to ask and beg for stuff....I say go to Cuba and enjoy every minute ...but go home alone and don't fall prey to the stuff they say...Visit when you need to but leave it there as they have no idea what it is like to live here...all they want to do is make $$$ to send home to their familys...I have yet to meet a cuban who is thankful to be here in Canada...and wanting to get to know our country and how we relate....good luck ...but I say save your $$$ and all of the heartache.

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CUBAN LOVE IS A FRAUD ! DO NOT TRUST!
by: Diana

Hi after reading this posts i felt i needed to add my story to you too, well, i never, never even thought that one day i would be writing a story on this and a victim of a fraud marriage in 2010! i never even thought of the consequences ,,i was so much in my little world, my paradise, my little romantic world , and could nt see for the future or anything as dramatic as this nightmare im living today after being so much blinded by love and in love with this young, charming, good looking man at the hotel, my heart felt for him after meeting him at the hotel while my son was invited in this huge pretigious chess tournament in havana, cuba called the cabablanca chess tournament, once i got back to montreal , i could not focussed on anything else but think of him and my heart flutter etc. it was as if i had a spell on me. it was just matter of time that i continued keeping in touch in every single way i could and went down to visit him and spent some time with him at casas, going to different restaurants etc. even helped him with his family bring mp3 player, got him so many gifts because i felt he needed it , a digital camera, a watch, all his clothes and brand name jeans, etc, guess, and rented a car to visit, let him keep the car for him to take his daughter to the amusement park and the beach etc. i was so given , it was just give and give, and thought the was sincere with me and in love with me and had feelings for me. well, after going down about 8-9 times to cuba in a period of 3 years, i even rushed my divorce, with my xhusband which i was married for 25 years and he was really in love and was really depressed and sad once he found out i was in love with this young cuban man ! he even went all out and send him and email and asking him that if he was not sincere and honnest to let me go so i dont get hurt, well, this never happened, it is such a long story i could write pages and pages, i even went during hurricain when my flight was cancelled, there is nothing i did not do for this relationship, i moved mountains, i borrowed money, i put myself in a debts because of all this, i could only think of him and him telling me until the last week in june that he was so anxiously wanted to be with me and misses me, and love me and will prove what time of husband he is and not to fear and to trust him, he was not like those scumballs cubans that uses canadians to get out of his country, well wrong, today may 2010 , im living the worst nightmare of my life ! he was an impostor, a liar, a cheat all what you cant imagine , all what you read about cubans man using any time of means and pretend to get out, i was his ticket out of cuba, they are so determined to get out, and to achieve their goal, he played his role really good, got me so good and believed in him ,

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It's Real and It Is Devastating to Those Who've Been Conned.
by: Michele

To Shakes head I dislike your arrogant dismissive attitude.

Sure there is good and bad all over the world.

However Cuba, by virtue of it's Communist system has much more than it's fair share of hustlers who will try every trick in the book in order to escape. They are extremely determined and will use every trick in the book to achieve this aim. They have written the book when it comes to conning and tricking tourists in order to achieve this.

Now we have all heard about the rafts which rarely make their destination, which Cubans pay up to $5,000 to crooks in an attempt to flee to Miami. They are desperate.

How much easier for them to not pay a peso and trick some gullible woman instead. So they prey on vulnerable tourists. Trick her into believing they love her.

Bombard her with emails with the tired old .....'Te Quiero Mucho' script. And it is a scripts. Read through the BS scripts received by every women on this forum and they will all read the same. They are rarely written by the hustler, but by his mother, his wife or his novia who has access to a computer. He rarely has.

Beg her to return tell her how much they are missing her. She falls for it and bankrupts herself in the process.

Because exporting a hustler out of Cuba is very costly and will set a man or woman back at least $6,000 in Shengen visas departure visas, air fares, marriage licence etc. etc. Women go into debt, financial ruin. But worse is to come as soon a the con man reaches her country and is not happy with the weather, the lifestyle, the fact he has to get off his coulo and work. So he makes her life hell.

Now the stories on this forum are real, and painful to the victims.

So do not be so arrogant to dismiss these real life accounts, or compare them to other countries.

Cuba's system is unique and workshy Cuban hustlers are a breed of con man apart.

They will use any means necessary and have a nuclear proof determination when it comes to hustling a woman as a mean to achieving that goal to escape.


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Its mind blowing
by: Shakes head

I am reading all these negative comments, and can hardly find one positive.
Whats the old saying???, 'theres good and bad in every country'.
Its unbelievable that so many people have been scammed, duped, made a fool of by just the one nation, Cuba.

Have any of you travelled to other poor countries?, Cuba is a girl guide compared to other countries.
Just because some of you have been burned, does not mean to say all Cubans will burn you.

Try finding other sites, theres a few out there saying exactly the same things, Turkey for example, Gambia, theres and eye opener,Jamaica,they wrote the script.
If you went into these countries forums you would read some awful things, but again there is good and bad everywhere.

I really do think its unfair that when someone writes in asking for advice, the ones who have been burned, or know someone who has been hard done by automatically jumps right in and gives the poster both barrels of how they are being played or scammed.

If I ever found a Cuban I would not come in here and say so, I would get tarred and feathered!!!!


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In Reply To Anonymous
by: Denise

No one is accusing all Cubans of being fraudsters.

And there are no 'descriptions' of what is a fraudster.

A fraud or con artist is determined more by their fraudulent deceptive actions rather than their dress code or hairstyle or whether they wear a bandana or the latest designer jeans. Though many of them do since they have been hard at work conning many tourists hence the designer labels and cellphoone.

A fraudster is a man or woman who deliberately deceives someone into believe they love them when they clearly do not.

A fraudster is commonly referred to as a 'Jinitero' Jinitera' in Cuba, meaning like a jockey they ride on the back of, use, the gullible tourist, exploit, con, milk, take them for all they can.

In the case of a large Canadian woman who posts on here, it was a ticket out of Cuba, a hefty 'exit visa fee' to the Castros. A passport and being set up in a dance school.

There are thousands of such cases. Con artists who trick use exploit the vulnerable, the gullible, every day in Cuba.

Not just in Cuba of course, all over the world, Africa, Morocco, India, South America, anywhere there is poverty, dictatorial governments, lack of work or a decent wage, you will find the hustler, the con artist, ready to pounce.

Unlike their fellow countrymen they are unprepared to get off their Culo and go out and do a honest day's work. They are lazy. So they con, use exploit, trick the vulnerable.

So the vulnerable needs to be made aware, and needs to be informed.

As I have informed them.





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cubano
by: Anonymous

what kind of list would it be if a cubano/a doesn't fall under any of these descriptions yet still be fraud?

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How To Spot A Fraudster!
by: Denise

They are always very charming. Usually speak English well, gained from their years of hustling other foreign women.

They're incredibly tactile and will hug you as they sip their rum cocktails or Cristals, which you have paid for of course!.

They know all the key words to charm and make a woman melt.

They will never ever mention the 'M' word - as they are well aware that female travelers have been informed of these scams and are sceptical.So they tread very carefully.

Marriage fraud involving Cubans is all over the internet on t.v. and almost daily in the Canadian press.

They will introduce you immediately to their family, usually a single mother with access to the internet through her work.

It will be her or her female colleagues who will be emailing you all those 'Te Quiero Mucho' 'Te Estranjar' scripts. Not him. Not from him at all, but a nurse in a clinic, a secretary at a university with access to the net.

Never written by him. No, he is not computer literate and besides he will be too busy chasing younger more available women in the dance halls and bars.

He is usally unskilled or unemployed. Cuba does not allow it's skilled professionals, doctors, engineers, scientists to leave, even if they marry for love, no chance of them getting permission to leavfe Cuba.

They are currency, used to exchange for oil when they are sent on millions to Venezuels and Latin America.

He will be a smart dresser, brand name jeans and tops, trainers, cellphone, bandana. The hustler is always impecibly groomed - yes, even in cash strapped Cuba.

All fashion items have been donated by his previous flings.

Check his cellphone and you will find the long list of these former visitors.

How to protect yourself and your assets from this con arist?.

Make it clear to him that you are not a high earner. You are barely struggling to get by. Are planning on returning to College and living on a very low income. Have dependents to support.

Tell him you are against marriage, you just do not believe in it and think that women who fly Cuban men out of the country must be out of their mind, there have been so many disaster stories, that

Tell him that Cubans never settle in a cold climate and the marriage always ends in divorce with her being fleeced financially and having to pick up the tab for his social security payments and healthcare.

Make it clear you are not seeking a long term romance and marriage is definitely out of the question.

You will not see his heels for dust.

I guarantee you will not hear from him again :)

The Cuban Government will be incredibly disappointed however that you have not taken this idler off their hands since he is a liability in cash strapped Cuba.




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Having read the reports on here I am now sceptical!
by: Denise

I am so sorry to hear your story. You loved him believed in him and he really conned you.

It's even worse when you think they are genuine, you say he was shy.

I met a man in Holguin, he also seemed shy. We got to know each other during my vacation, but he was not prepared to sign the register at my casa which would allow him to visit me.

I wondered why this was, could it be he had signed such book before with other women?.

The emails arrived fast and furious, declarations of love, lots of 'Te Quero Mucho' etc. But I began to find it all a bit contrived. He wrote nothing about his life, his job, his family, it was all just too sickly sweet, too much I love you miss you etc.

I made it clear to him that I had no plans to import him or any man out of Cuba. He said he does not want to leave Cuba and move to Canada.

He said he only wants me to return and spend time with him.

However having read all the emails on this forum I am having doubts about his sincerity. So many of the ladies tell the same story. How convincing their man was, how he told them he had no plans to move to their country etc. then when they were in deeper and married he changed as soon as his papers arrived.

I may be wrong I may be unduly paranoid. But alarm bells rang when reading through all the posts on here.

I have no plans whatsoever to invite him here. He knows that.

i get the feeling that the Cuban government is very happy for us ladies to invite them to our country. It is one less person to maintain, to feed, and the country is pretty much bankrupt.

When I was in Cuba I met a doctor from Switzerland he was married to a Cuban lady, also a doctor, they had been in a relationship for 5 years and were married, yet she was forbidden from leaving Cuba. They had tried and applied but no chance.

It seems that Cuba will not allow Doctors or Engineers or Scientists to leave, but are more than happy to allow unskilled workers or playboys to leave the country.

I am not saying that my friend falls into that country, he is working and is a responsible man. However where this relationship remains to be seen.

This website's content has made me extremely sceptical.

I wish all the ladies who have been hurt lots of luck, and happiness in future relationships.

Do not give up, there is always someone out there for you, who will genuinely love you.


Denise.


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going through the process with my cubano
by: Anonymous

How do I start this? Well four years ago I met my Cuban man. He was normal and was working he was my friend neighbor, he didn't even want to talk to me b/c he was shy you know I was the American, but he got to know me and saw I was a normal girl. My parents are cuban grandmothers living there. So we shared something in common. The begining was great. Hey I was doing my thing in the States and God knows what he did but i'll tell you one thing he always waited by the phone for my calls on saturday after 6, emailed me like crazy and got upset if I wouldn't visit him for a while. Two years later he finished the military we got married through a church first (my mothers crazy idea) for some reason being in the States occupied with other things I did ignore him so he wrote everyday, and would beg me to call him to write to him. Just when I was giving up hope b/c I had mailed the papers to the consulate in washinton to get married in Cuba and they weren't arriving one day they just appeared, wow I was going to get married it was october 2007, what a great day. To bad because after we got married everything changed, I guess his attitude was if I go and it doesn't work out oh well. But I was so desperate to have my partner here. I was happy he had a friend here. Let me tell you what you find great in the beginng is the thing you hate the most at the end, it seamed like he almost didn't want to come. He wasn't being quick with the documents I asked for and we fought like crazy. No more waiting by the phone for my phone calls, Christmas, he was who knows where with who know who. Valentines I have no idea he never wrote. Well he finaly arrived in may 2009, this friend of his that he has here well they spend each and every spare time together. What happend to the marriage? I finally had to kick him out. He wanted to wait until he had a car to get a job, degrades me, if I cook its bad. Nothing is good enough. We had said lets separate and try to work things out well seperationg is leading to divorce and the funny thing is he doesn't even care. He doesn't call to ask to see me. I'm his wife we should be doing things together, but I guess that was a scam. I have already mailed out my money order to the family court house for my simpliefied divorce papers. I'm very sad and distraught, and really which it was different, but unfortunatly I fell for the same trap. Now I have to deal with the affidavite of support, and dam I have to pay for my mistake its gonna cost me $405. The money is not even the issue, my heart is broken, and that will take time to heal. Please don't get fooled with these dam cubans. I honestly want to get away from this cuban town, I want no part of them, I hate them now.

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dont be scammed
by: Pilon

Save your $$$ do not be scammed by this Cuban...read all the stories on Cuba amour they all sounds the same...he didn't ask for anything...of course not, he is acting like a wolf right now...just waiting to pounce. He won't ask for anything until after you're married...while he lays on the couch, watching T.V. demanding rice at every meal all while he has his hands down his pants...be smart go down and see the guy and then leave ...simple as that. Do not waste your $$$ on him cuz as soon as you're gone he will be with other tourists and cuban women.

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The most well played game there is.
by: Anonymous

They will tell you that they would live any where in the world just to be with you , that they want you to live with them in Cuba. They will never ask you for anything, they will introduce you to friends and family ( they all know you are being played). They are the best actors you will ever find, and you wont beleive you are one of the many victims until it's to late. You will think the he is genuine and that it is silly to think all Cubans are only after one thing...then you will find out you were wrong. And you will be broken hearted and have realized you spend the last, 6 months, one year or more with a person that did'nt really exist.; That person was an illusion.

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played like a fool
by: Anonymous

You are speaking the truth! I have never met such good liars.Dont be folled by them introducing you to the family because it is a well played game by them all. I would have never imagined that I could be played the way I was.

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CUBAN MEN KNOW HOW TO "PLAY'' CANADIAN WOMEN TO THE MAX !
by: Anonymous

If you are a Canadian female, especially older, and you have barely met a much younger or even not that much younger Cuban male who takes a great and somewhat sudden interest in you,takes you places and pays, tells you he loves you and so on - and you wonder is he sincere, truthful, when he has supposedly fallen in love with you after only your first vacation there and spending time with him. You CAN tell if he is lying easily. If he is talking to you, he's lying.
Doesn't matter what he tells you or how he acts, he's lying. His only goal is to get you to 'fall in love' with him and be putty in his hands, so he can then convince you to sponsor him to immigrate to Canada !
COME ON LADIES, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE ! These Cuban men can act and talk so smoothly, and they fool you every time. They are successful, partly because Canadians are so honest they expect all people to be honest, and partly because they know how to expertly "play" you for the fools you are ! They would tell you anything to get them out of Cuba. To get you to sponsor them to live in Canada ! That is their ONLY agenda.

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